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Dargens p2p Private File Sharing
« on: May 17, 2008, 02:29:34 PM »
New web interface for ANts p2p Mod.



Dargens p2p Private file sharing - share your stash of porn!

www.Dargens.com

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Re: Dargens p2p Private File Sharing
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2008, 09:46:31 PM »
Sorry, but Dargens still does not work for Mac users. I hope you will get that working soon too. :-(

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Re: Dargens p2p Private File Sharing
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2008, 06:11:25 AM »
Instead of trying to attract users with the pr0n argument I would rather look for reasons why people are not interested in Dargens p2p.


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Re: Dargens p2p Private File Sharing
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2008, 04:55:55 AM »
The biggest turnoff for me is that I haven't found any real documentation about it. All the manuals and descriptions look really vague to me. People use these kind of software because they are interested about anonymity and security. You canít drag them in by saying; ď tons of files and pornĒ. Thatís like saying; ďI have candy, letís go to the woods young ladĒ. Even the project's homepage is like this, no real description but lots of promices. When it sound too good to be true... it usually is that. Do the makers think this is attractive, because I think it's scary?

After some searching I noticed that this programs seems like Ants p2p but its limited to a group. Now why would I want this when Ants works fine? Is Dargens safer, better, faster or user friendlier? What is  it really? Long story short; lot's of spam but little information. Please, donít be offended even through I'm am being a bit rough. I do respect your hard work and I do think that developing these kind of software is a great thing. It is just that your aggressive advertising scares people away and it suggests that this isn't about security, it's about the files. Please take this as a feed back since Iím not trying to flame you, ok.

Perhaps I will test this soon. Lets see if it is as good as it sounds  ;)
« Last Edit: June 18, 2008, 12:20:20 PM by peppeli »

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Re: Dargens p2p Private File Sharing
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2008, 04:11:08 PM »
Harsh very harsh.

How much information do you want about Dargens www.Dargens.com.

1. From its Blog http://kerjodando.blogspot.com/ you could find out the following:

It is faster and more reliable than ANts p2p or MUTE because it is based on sound mathematical principles http://kerjodando.blogspot.com/2006/07/only-small-world-p2p-networks-scalable.html

Dargens uses kerjodando client to make a network that is small world and so is scalable.

lots of other information on blog.

2. The full source code is published - not just parts of it but everything including the website see http://code.google.com/p/kerjodando/ .  In one day you could clone Dargens and have you own anonymous BT type website up and running.

3. There is even more information on http://www.kerjodando.com/ .

Dargens is as fast a bit torrent, easier to use that bit torrent and as anonymous as ANts p2p.

Read the documentation and source code - there is tons of it.

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Re: Dargens p2p Private File Sharing
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2008, 06:35:52 AM »
How much information do you want about Dargens www.Dargens.com.
The only kind of information is a enduser tutorial on how to run dargens.
Besides that, only promises without any facts like:

ANONYMOUS P2P file sahring
Hides identity when sharing
Download incognito from internet
SAFE file sharing
(imho, #1,2 and 3 are exactly the same)

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1. From its Blog http://kerjodando.blogspot.com/ you could find out the following:

It is faster and more reliable than ANts p2p or MUTE because it is based on sound mathematical principles http://kerjodando.blogspot.com/2006/07/only-small-world-p2p-networks-scalable.html

Dargens uses kerjodando client to make a network that is small world and so is scalable.

lots of other information on blog.

The blog are 90% screenshots of, or announcements for new versions of some kind of GUI.
Back in 2007 there were some articles on bootstrapping and NAT Traversal... but nothing in particualar about the features of kerjodando/dargens
To the small-world-stuff: Pastry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastry_(DHT), Chord (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chord_project) and the other new DHT based structured P2P networks tend to scale better as far as I know...

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2. The full source code is published - not just parts of it but everything including the website see http://code.google.com/p/kerjodando/ .  In one day you could clone Dargens and have you own anonymous BT type website up and running.

You don't expect people to download and read through the sourcecode to find out what all the fuzz is about, do you?

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3. There is even more information on http://www.kerjodando.com/ .

Dargens is as fast a bit torrent, easier to use that bit torrent and as anonymous as ANts p2p.

The only REAL information on that page is:
kerjodando (beta) is a open-source user-friendly version of a popular file sharing program called ANts p2p.

And I think there is more to kerjodando, besides being simply a new GUI for Ants?


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Re: Dargens p2p Private File Sharing
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2008, 02:29:42 PM »
First of all I'll assume that you know how ANts works, an ad-hoc network of client/servers with DHT and peer to peer and end to end encryption.

Users join ANts by boot-strapping from irc this results in a network with a random topology.  Although this has the a short path length between any two nodes it is very difficult to find that path even with DHT so it does not scale well.

Dargens p2p (kerjodando) is based on ANts p2p except users join the network by connecting to either their friends or users that they share an interest with.  This is a social network, a type of small world network.  This also has a short path between peers but this path is much easier to find either with DHT, greeedy routing or ANt routing.

So Dargens p2p scales far better than ANts and is much faster.

To allow users to connect and form social networks, the Dargens tracker maintains a record of users' friends, that it shares with new users who connect.

Although the network information is kept on the site no information about who is sharing what files is kept on the site of communicated directly with any outside party by ANts.

As the system is web based it is very easy to configure.

There are several different level of security available.

For Example,

A user could be either public (general public can connect to him) or private (only invited friends can connect).

Uses can also publish files to the website in much the same way as done with bit torrent on a tracker.

The biggest drawback of the system is ANts because it uses Java which confuses many web users.

Also it can take up to 2 minutes to download the client and connect even on fast dsl/cable networks.

The aim of the system is to spread information to those who find it difficult to access information freely.

It has been designed (STUNT and SSL spoofing) to penetrate national censorship system such as the great fire wall of China.

However, it is not meant to circumvent national laws but to give privacy to responsible adult users which is a right we take for granted in the physical world but which is diminishing in the virtual world.

Sorry for my poor communication but I suffer from a mild form of Aspergers Syndrome which affects every part of my life.

I am a lot more social than I use to be.

BTW it would be good to hear from any other sufferers.

Ez

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Re: Dargens p2p Private File Sharing
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2008, 11:12:24 AM »
Dargens p2p (kerjodando) is based on ANts p2p except users join the network by connecting to either their friends or users that they share an interest with.  This is a social network, a type of small world network.

.......

To allow users to connect and form social networks, the Dargens tracker maintains a record of users' friends, that it shares with new users who connect.
Sorry but it's actually anti social.

Dargens splits nodes up into small groups, it makes some groups more privileged than others. If you don't know the right people you may be left out from the "good stuff". It may also create the ability of people to alienate certain people they don't like.

Ants depends on other nodes for pass through packets. It also depends on a large group that is spread all around the world to increase users privacy, security of information, and to prevent censorship.

Reducing the number of nodes in the Ants network puts the users directly at risk. The pass through system doesn't work if everyone is directly connected to everyone else.

Dargens will reduce the number of nodes on the regular, open Ants network. This is anti social towards those users and reduces their privacy and security.

I understand the want to go faster and connect to nodes that are less hops away to the content you want, but this isn't the way to do it. The Ants system code by design should be "walking" around the network on a regular basis trying to find a faster path to content. This was one of the original ideas presented by developers. There may be other ways to do this with the software.

For a totally different approach, you may want to check out how the OFF System works. OFF can swarm nicely for popular content and works to protect users privacy.

Oh, and the tracker.... Single point of failure and a security risk, bad idea. Systems like Ants, MUTE, OFF and I2P go through great trouble to avoid things like trackers and one single point to get network startup connection information.

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Re: Dargens p2p Private File Sharing
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2008, 05:16:55 PM »
We are all connected, if not directly then via friends of friends of friends etc..  It has been proved both theoretically and experimentally that everyone in Europe and North America are connected by a maximum of six steps.

This is how Dargens p2p works all nodes are connected but not randomly.  They are connected like a social network a society.  So path lengths are short and everybody can download and upload from everybody else.

And as it is ANts p2p (only change is network topology) it is anonymous.

And as to the single point of failure.  I agree there is a single point of failure but it is open source (including the website) so it is like bit torrent.  Sure they can kill a few trackers but they will never kill them all.

Lastly by being web based allows the featured files to be quality checked.  So now you can download quality files anonymously.  Of course you still have the ability to search and download like limewire etc. again anonymously.

Nothing is 100% anonymous; this is safe enough to prevent snoopers from knowing what you're downloading without slowing downloads.

Go on download a file.

www.Dargens.com

or join my private network:
http://www.dargens.com/invitefrom/f5869ce161ffa9d2619da0597233f80a
« Last Edit: August 19, 2008, 04:44:05 PM by ezzye »